Subject: RE: (SC35WG4.157) Resolutions from the ISO-JTC1/IEC 2015 Plenary meeting

From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:24:56 +0000

Dear Khalid,
Thanks for this memo which give us an overview of the discussions/requests/tasks to do.
For sure, we did not discuss about your appointment in Sapporo. On behalf of the French delegation, we strongly support a second term.
Best regards,
Monique Mai

De : [email-masked] [mailto:[email-masked]] De la part de Khalid Choukri
Envoyé : lundi 2 novembre 2015 18:41
À : [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]; [email-masked]; magnabosco philippe
Objet : (SC35WG4.157) Resolutions from the ISO-JTC1/IEC 2015 Plenary meeting

Dear Colleagues (Convenors of SC35 WGs)

I am just back from the JTC1/IEC plenary meeting , held this year in Beijing
I hope to report on that at our next meeting, in particular for the new topics on which ISO JTC1 is putting more focus i.e. Internet of Things, Wearable Smart devices etc.  and where I argued that "users", "interfaces", "accessibility" are persistent key words mentioned by many participants and that SC35 is ready to play its role with respect to its core mission within these new topics (see the resolutions ;

a) I made, like a few of the other chairs, a quick overview of our plans (and business plan in particular about our long-term visions of SC35 activities), many chairs referred to the official Business Plan and said "nothing to add";

b) Before we get to the "Chairs" item on the agenda (item 7.1,  agenda is ISO/IEC JTC 1 N12834), the UKNB had added item 6.2.3 on the proposed agenda that was "UK National Body input on Accessibility Document: JTC 1 N12731),
in which the "legitimacy" of SC35 was questioned again with respect to its role on accessibility (most from Kate Grant and UK/BSI)

I past this contribution here:

I replied that I was very surprised when I read such contribution; that in my view it goes against the Resolution 22 of the previous ISO JTC1 29th plenary meeting in Abu Dhabi.

I stated again that, we have taken actions to put in operation this resolution and it is premature to report on concrete results at this stage; that the SC35 has already considered this mission and added it to its Business Plan  as: [Future revision of 20138-1 “User accessibility needs", Formerly JTC 1/SWG Accessibility work ]

I insisted that my arguments from the last year are still valid:

  *   SC35/WG6 has many of the same participants as have been working on the user accessibility needs, and all those who have been currently working on them are eligible for being nominated as experts to SC35/WG6.
  *   (While SWG-A has been allowed to include as members people nominated by bodies outside ISO, there has not been any active participation from such people for a number of years.)
  *   Jim Carter is the editor of all three SWG-A documents and is  the convenor of SC35/WG6 so he is well positioned to aid in making the transition between SWG-A and SC35/WG6 where the wider active participation in SC35/WG6 will aid in doing a better job of developing and reviewing these documents.
and I insisted that such transition is what we see now.

This position has been strongly seconded by the USA and FRANCE delegations.

The UK reply was that nothing is visible from SC35 web site and that the liaison reports are not accessible for the experts even if they could connect to the AFNOR Livelink.

==> This is probably true, my feeling is that our liaison reports (1) are not very formal (and are not drafted in advance as N documents) and (2) are not published in advance for outsiders.
==> I promised to improve this very quickly and I suggested to report to the next year's plenary on this matter (Hence the resolution 4 of this plenary)

actions for all of us:
=> We need to take this very seriously and make sure all our liaison officers are aware of this and ask them for intermediate reports whenever appropriate
=> make sure that all liaison reports are published according to ISO JTC1 timeline as N documents and ensure their accessibility via the AFNOR Livelink

Philippe: Can we update the list of liaisons and plan for these to be N-documents for our meeting in August
Jim/All: we need to define the best way to pursue this mission and report to the plenary
Philippe: I would like to have this "report to JTC1 2016 plenary" on our agenda,  prepared and discussed at the Korea meeting pls, with input from all.

c) Before the plenary , with Philippe, we realized that my appointment for a second term was not discussed in Sapporo and it was too late to come up with a resolution for this to be adopted by email; hence the suggestion for my nomination for 1 year to be confirmed at the next meeting in Korea (resolution 9);

d)during the Chairs' meeting on Thursday,  a few of the chairs, including myself, questioned the value of the Business Plans that  we produce ever year and that look as administrative docs that no one reads ,   and it was agreed to think of something more useful and "operational" , both for the SCs and for JTC1.
We set a small committee to discuss this before end of 2015, I will bring this up with you in due time;

Please feel free to share this document (or parts of it) with your group and if you think I missed something important or controversial from the resolutions, please drop me a word.

Best regards
Khalid
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